When the answers really aren’t what you wanted to hear
On the way to the RE’s office with DH I tried explaining to him why I was nervous. Scared that I’ve had so much hope and that certain beliefs have been a “safety net” for me – that’s not exacty what I meant, but I couldn’t find the words to explain. What I meant was, I was scared that they were going to take my hope away. I wrote to friends yesterday:
And that’s precisely what happened.
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We waited for about 45 minutes again. This seems to be par for the course, as every consult I’ve had at this office has required a 40-60+ minute wait. A nurse did take me back for a height, weight (140.0 – with clothes on) and blood pressure check (108/68), but then it was back to waiting. While walking back with me, she said very cheerily, so you’re returning, huh?!” I gave a half-smile and let it pass.
Finally we were called in by the Doctor… and a Resident. Resident sat in the consult room with us and went over my history. Well, actually, she started with something along the lines of, “So you’re back! How old’s the baby?” I don’t really get too upset by comments like that, although it seriously pisses me off that no one reads my fucking chart. THAT bothers me. Should they not be reviewing it FIRST? But I politely pointed out that, actually, it was a stillbirth. In march. She expressed her condolences. It was a little irritating, to be honest. But then we went over the rest of my history questionaire. I just wanted to get it over with so I could talk with the doctor.
So yes, we get to the IVF part and I give her a very brief overview of my two previous IVF cycles. 24 eggs, 2 embryos, no implantation. 13 eggs, 1 embryo, stillborn baby. “Oh wow,” she says. “That’s aweful.” Yeah. You don’t know the half of it, lady. Finally she leaves so she can discuss it all with the RE before he comes in.
Now don’t get me wrong, she was a nice woman. She’ll probably make a very nice doctor some day. But after dealing with two crap IVFs and a stillbirth I’m really tired of explaining my situation. I just wanted to see the RE and get some answers.
So finally (after another significant wait) he comes in. He immediately offers condolences on our loss, with lots of, “It’s so horrible when things like that happen. It takes a long time to get over that. A long time. Are you getting support? Seeing a therapist? You should, I mean, it’s a big deal. It takes a lot to deal with this sort of thing.” And, okay, I know he meant well. But I really wanted to just snap, “Look, I know all this, I’m not here to talk about my loss, I’m here to talk to you about getting me pregnant. Can we PLEASE move on now?” I didn’t. But I so wanted to. I was polite and cordial and nodded a lot. For a moment I was really scared he was going to tell me that they wouldn’t treat me so soon after a “huge loss,” that they required me to have time to grieve. I really was scared for a minute, the way he was talking and pausing. This is the first time I’ve ever met with this doctor, so I didn’t really know what to make of his manner. (He’s a pauser. Long stops between sentences/thoughts. Drives me a little batty, to be honest.)
Finally we got down to business.
Once I knew we were on the same page about the IVF cycles and that he was familiar with the stats I basically put it out there… what the heck happened??
I did confirm that it was indeed an egg maturity problem, not a fertilization problem, as communicated to us after IVF#1. It is also not an FSH/declining ovarian reserve/egg quality issue. However I had mistakenly started thinking that it was due to the meds protocol, that it would have a simple answer. That someone screwed up and that we’d have a clear idea about what to do next IVF cycle… even what to do before even hitting IVF. I was wrong.
Basically he told us that what I have is “very rare, actually.” The problem, he said, is that there are no answers. No one in the reproductive world knows what to do in cases like mine. There has been no research. There is no data. And there is no known cure or treatment. He said he actually wrote a paper on me – or rather, my IVF cycles – that he’s going to present at a big conference sometime soon. I guess what happened spurred them to do some of their own research, and discovered that not only is it rare – he said they looked at 1000 cases, and only 12 had immaturity problems like mine – but that’s when they noticed that there is no published data. No research at all. No suggestions. I told him I’d like to get my hands on that paper of theirs. He warned me that, “There are no answers in there.” They raised questions, they did not find answers.
He said they did see that some of the women with this problem have slight chromosomal abnormalities. So he wants a full workup on me, and Den too. Just to see if there’s anything they can detect. If so, they might have to do a biopsy to check into my chromosomes further.
I asked if this immaturity problem is why we haven’t conceived naturally in all the cycles we’ve done. “Possibly,” he prevaricated. I got the sense he really didn’t want to commit to any answers about it because he couldn’t back anything up. He wasn’t going to tell me it is definitely the problem if they don’t know for sure. But to me? To me it sure seemed like a big fat, “Yes.” Most women do NOT have this response in IVF. It does not seem to be a meds issue. So what are the chances that this is NOT having an impact on the eggs I ovulate every month on my own?
All of that pretty much made my next questions pretty moot, but I asked them anyways. I acknowledged that they don’t know, that they have no real suggestions. But I asked, could we at least try clomid? Injects? Anything? I mean, insurance pays for it. Anything but ART right now. Maybe it’s a waste, but at least it’s something. And it increases the number of eggs, so maybe one would be okay right? He gave a non-commital, apologetic shrug. No answers. No direction. He suggested we wait until after the blood tests come back, meet in a month to evaluate and decide where to go from there. I pressed on, asking if there was anything I could do at all. He replied, “Eat well, exercise, be healthy.”
He walked to the nurse’s desk and got her to do up some lab slips for us. He also wanted her to check to see if the doctors had done any kereotyping on me after our loss – I know they’d done it on Devin (and he was chromosomally perfect), but I didn’t know about me. So Den and I sat in an exam room while she phoned around to find out.
I just sat down and started crying. Den still doesn’t get why I’m so upset. How can I explain? I’ve been carrying around this hope – this belief – that our screwed up IVF cycles were a protocol problem. Right from day one I’ve held the very strong belief that next IVF they’ll be able to do something different to increase our odds. And I certainly expected to walk out of this appointment with a plan in place. And since Devin’s death I have held hope for a little miracle, that the next one would just happen.
And all of that was dashed. We’re looking at getting the same crappy results every time we do IVF. No frozen embryos, ever. The doctors are stumped. We have no plan, other than, “Do what we did last time and hope it works again.” My hope in a naturally conceived pregnancy is pretty much dashed.
Like I said, Den doesn’t understand why I’m so upset. “We got no new information,” he points out. “He never said we have no chance at getting pregnant naturally. And we know IVF works.” And he’s right, for the most part. There have been times when I have suspected all of that. But there’s suspecting, and there’s knowing. Knowing is a punch in the gut.
There is something very wrong in my body. And they don’t know how to fix it.
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This afternoon I finally connected with the woman at the bank. She offered me the job. 20 hours over 3 days per week, at a semi-close location, with benefits. I did a little happy dance when I hung up. I just felt so beat up after this morning that it was a welcome mood. I have not confirmed that their offered health insurance will cover IVF or what it will entail, but I do not see how a local bank could get out of the infertility mandate in this state. (Den’s insurance gets around it because it’s federal, not state.) It is a HUGE relief. November I should have coverage. We should be able to start IVF. My only worry with that is getting the time off, when needed, for monitoring and retrieval and transfer, when I am still so new to the job. But I’ll deal with that when it comes.
So right now I’m balancing between being totally upset and being thankful that we WILL get to do IVF and hopefully get pregnant in 2009. I guess I just need to keep my eyes on that and relinquish my ideals and hopes and dreams. I really think I’m just going to throw in the towel on this TTC thing while we wait. Maybe I’ll change my mind, but right now I’m just… done. If there was something more than a shred of hope, then fine. But now? Knowing that we do everything right and it will make no difference? There’s really no point to me tracking my ovulating and making sure we have sex on the right nights, to winding myself up in the two week wait, convincing myself that somehow this time it worked.
I have a new job to focus on, I’ll be working most of the week now. Either Mon/Tues or Mon/Wed at one job, and Thurs-Fri-Sat at my new job. Hopefully that’s enough to take my mind off everything. Hopefully it’ll give me enough extra money to go out and do something good with my life in between. I know three months is just a blip in the big picture… but every day spent waiting just hurts.
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I start orientation at my new job on August 18. She told me that there’s a 90 day/3 month probation period before benefits kick in. Curious, I calculated what exact day the probation period would end for me, what day at the earliest I could get insurance. November 16.
It was November 16, 2005, that I got my first period after stopping the pill. November 16, 2006, was the day our insurance officially considered us infertile (our appointment with the RE was on Nov 17.)
November 16, 2008, the day I am eligible for IVF benefits, will be our three-year mark.
I’m sorry and I really do understand why this is upsetting to you. I’m sure you feel like some doors have been closed to you. :(
If it helps I’m kind of pissed off at life for you.
I’m so sorry about the IVF news. I’m sorry the answers you received did not include the dose of hope you need.
And, congrats on the new job and new distraction!
Ahhh, I had just hoped the doc would have said – egg maturity? Sure, we have some shots you should take that will help that along!
Not having anything to fall back on but IVF, and with odds like that, is surely to be upsetting :(
Congrats on the job. It sounds to be everything you need right now – extra income, a way to get your mind on other things PLUS the bonus of the insurance in november. It’s strange. 2008 so far has been the best year in my life so far, and it’s horrible to see how it’s the worst for others :(
I hope 2009 will see the best year in your lives *big hug*
sorry you couldn’t get good answers form your doc. and that you had to deal with that ignorant resident. and congrats on the new job.
Counting down the days to Nov. 16 for you.
Crap Natalie, that’s terrible. (And seriously, we pay them enough to put a little sticker on the outside of the chart — maybe the universal symbol for “TOXIC” or “DEATH” so they can get a head’s up?) I will say this: I commend him for not slathering this in chocolate sauce and promising you a baby. Because, honestly, he doesn’t know. They don’t know a lot about a whole lot of stuff. It’s amazing to me how far we’ve come, only to discover that we have eons to go until we know. I know it’s the worst thing in the world to hear (believe me, I know), but when they don’t know — they don’t. I’ve tried to read my specialists tea-leaves to see if they’re leading me in one direction or another, but they’re not allowed to do that, either. Ultimately, these crappy decisions are up to us.
Congrats on your new job. And I wish you strength and peace in going forward. It’s all so hard, and it just shouldn’t be.
Natalie, I am so sorry. I know this is not the news you were hoping for, and I know this must’ve just been crushing.
I was wondering, though, whether up until now IVM (in vitro maturation) had been a part of your protocol, and if not, whether the doctor talked about the possible applicability of that protocol to your case. I did a very quick PubMed search on it just now, and found one interesting study (published this June) on improving the odds for IVM protocols. Please let me know if you want me to send you the link to that study, or to look for more.
I’m so sorry you didn’t get any clear answers, but I agree with tash. At least he didn’t sugar coat the situation and say that he has answers. He admitted that he didn’t know what you could do. I suppose that it’s good, on the one hand, but not, on the other. I know you would like some clarity and perhaps knowledge on how you can get around the egg maturity situation, but sometimes even the medical world is stumped and we can only hope that research will find some answers soon.
Congratulations on the new job. I hope it provides you with some possibilities and distraction for the time being. Praying that 16 November will be a good day for you.
Oh Nat, I’m so sorry. No news would make me insane, too. Congrats on the bank job, it sounds great.
Wow, Nat, what a day. I am so sorry there are no easy answers when, after all you have been through, you should have gotten a free pass.
Grats on the new job though and benes :)
I’m so sorry you got that news. And I’m really sorry you had to deal with a crappy resident- you’d think they would READ and at least have better comments. Congrats on your new job, and I’m so glad you will have coverage.
Sorry that the RE did not have a lot of answers for you. I wonder though that since they are using your data as a ‘study’ then I wonder if they would be willing to treat you even w/o insurance? They are using your info in their work so maybe they would eat the cost in the meantime? I know my dentist used my info in a similar way and my mom said that she never had to pay a dime. Just a thought…
Congrats on the job, btw!!!
Natalie, I follow your blog although I don’t know you- I hope you don’t mind. I just think you have a wonderful and articulate way of expressing yourself and I also deeply sympathize with your situation. My brother and his wife lost their first daughter to stillbirth (on their induction day, at 41wks) and she was conceived after 4 years of infertility. So I do understand a little bit of the frustration and pain you are in, given that I’m going through it with my brother/SIL as well.
In any event, you should really look into IVM – particularly given that you produce a decent amount of eggs. Google it for more info (in-vitro maturization). It is a process which matures immature eggs in a petri dish, versus in your body. It is particularly for women who are high responders with low levels of mature eggs- a condition that I think is correlated with PCOS if I’m not mistaken (don’t remember the exact details). Anyway, google it to find out more. I really think with your age and egg yield, this might be the right procedure for you.
Congrats on your job!
Nat, you’re on the east coast…there has to be a doctor out there who could be more proactive than the RE you’re seeing now. I’m not saying that your doctor is a moron, but a second opinion couldn’t hurt. Maybe you could find one who could get you involved in some clinical trials. There has to be something you could be doing while you’re waiting for your insurance to kick in.
I’m just so sorry that you have to go through all of this. I try to have faith, but it’s situations like yours that just make me want to reach up and slap God or whoever is up there.
*Hugs*
Kelly
Congratulations on your new job!
I’m so sorry about your meeting with the RE, Natalie. I really hate that. I wonder, though, have you gotten a second (or third) opinion? I’m sure these guys are good, but perhaps a different perspective might give you some different options? Just a thought.
Thinking of you.
Oh hon. Crappers.
Congrats on the job though.